Der Spiegel: Wednesday Bundestag About evacuation mission Armed forces exist Afghanistan vote. Will the left agree to expatriate for the first time?
Dagdren: The most important thing now is to save our people and their helpers. left Cannot and will not agree to the new proposal of the federal government. The new authorization violated international law.
Der Spiegel: The mission is designed to rescue German citizens and endangered Afghans. What are your concerns about this?
Dagdren: The federal government cannot finally explain why a new mission was launched, because, as the lawyers of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs estimated, it is also possible to deploy existing missions. This makes people doubt that the new authorization has no basis in international law.We also recommend that the Bundestag also decide that there will be no more weapons in the Middle East and other regions Pakistan deliver. We don’t want our soldiers to be shot by German weapons. We don’t know whether other groups will now take this belated move.
Der Spiegel: According to international law, what are your concerns?
Dagdren: International lawyers pointed out that the Afghan government referred to in the decision no longer exists and defended it. Taliban NATO countries, including the federal government, are already negotiating.
“We found it difficult to delegate full power to the federal government.”
Der Spiegel: So you basically want the rescue mission to be approved by the Taliban? This is tantamount to admitting that a terrorist organization is the legitimate ruler of Afghanistan.
Dagdren: The rescue mission is running, thank God. We believe that the participating countries are right to negotiate with the Taliban. I warn people against the illusion that tens of thousands of people can be forcibly evacuated through military means. I received countless calls, appeals and emails to help evacuate.As far as we know, 80% of local labor can enter the airport acceptance It can’t be achieved at all.
Der Spiegel: In other words, if the left is currently responsible for the government, it will Germany Is it not to save the people of Kabul with the help of the Bundeswehr, but to rely on the goodwill of the Taliban?
Dagdren: If we were in the government, we would be evacuated in May and June without climbing to the Taliban to save people. In this legislative period alone, we will not sell weapons to the Taliban to aid Pakistan at a price of 300 million euros. The chaos at Kabul Airport, which is under the responsibility of the federal government and the Americans, has killed 20 people.
Der Spiegel: Many lives have been saved by this mission. This is not about another intervention in Afghanistan.
Dagdren: Yes, the point is to save a lot of people now. A few weeks ago, the left and the Green Party applied to push for the evacuation. After the government and the parties that support it rejected our application and caused the current disaster, it is difficult for us to delegate full authority to the federal government.By the way, I have the Minister of Foreign Affairs Heiko Mars Asked whether he can rule out the possibility of the Bundeswehr shooting at Afghans. For example, cleaning up the airport. He cannot rule this out.
Der Spiegel: Isn’t this a completely unrealistic scenario when the Bundeswehr shoots unarmed Afghans at the door? So far, most of the people who died there have been trampled to death in the crowd.
Dagdren: When soldiers at the airport are attacked in any form and soldiers have to defend themselves, no one can foresee what will happen. On Monday morning, American and German soldiers had participated in the scene of the firefight.
“Terrorists are becoming stronger and stronger all over the world.”
Der Spiegel: Nevertheless, the people must now be saved, which is impossible without military means at present. For 20 years, the left has been demanding the immediate withdrawal of the Bundeswehr from Afghanistan. Now the country fell into chaos immediately after the withdrawal. Is the left wrong?
Dagdren: The left is the only party in the Bundestag that has opposed this mission from the very beginning. Now everyone admits that it failed. War is a mistake, not a fuse. It is still a disaster for NATO troops to withdraw in a disorderly manner without taking proper protective measures for the Germans and their assistants.
Der Spiegel: At least one has realized the use of terrorist networks Al-Qaeda There is no longer a place to retreat in Afghanistan.
Dagdren: But terrorists have become stronger worldwide. The Taliban are now equipped with their own country and the most modern weapons for the army of hundreds of thousands of people captured from the Afghan army.Al Qaeda controls a territory in northern Syria that is also supported by its NATO partners TurkeyNATO’s operations in Afghanistan made the situation worse.
Der Spiegel: No one denies that the mission failed. However, in Afghanistan, conditions have been created over the past 20 years, and women and girls even have the opportunity to receive education. Are these improvements, even small, worthless to you?
Dagdren: These small advances cannot make us forget the endless suffering of thousands of civilians and Afghans who lost their lives in this war. Many NGOs are working in Afghanistan to improve people’s lives. Even under the current circumstances, this development cooperation must continue.
Der Spiegel: In your opinion, what conclusion should the federal government draw? Should Germany no longer participate in such an international mission?
Dagdren: The first is that the ruling party has now decided to stop the export of weapons that we have called for. This is a test of the credibility of the Bundestag party that decided to participate in the war in Afghanistan.The federal government must be supported by the commodity war America Abandon the middle east and Libya Has been ruined. As the Federal Chancellor, Ms. Merkel is primarily responsible for Germany’s failure to participate in these oil and gas wars; in 2003 she also wanted to participate in the Iraq War. Especially because of the terrible compliance with the imperialist and destructive policies of the United States, it is a good thing that her term is coming to an end.